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I hated the dumplings at school dinners. Opposite were the cottage gates where Italian Prisoners of War sold the plaitings of straw for pocket money. OM G how I hated Grouts, I was marched in there twice a year by my mother to buy the navy knickers, beige brown high woollen socks and worst of all the liberty bodices with their horrible rubber buttonsall of which had to be worn to school until the end of May..despite a heat wave .I m shuddering to think of that shop and the humiliation it brought to me at Hazelwood Primary School. Palmers Greenery Community Caf open 10.30am - 12.00am Coronation street party at Bounds Green Bowls and Tennis Club 10.30am - 12.00pm Councillors' surgery: Palmers Green, New Southgate, Bowes and Highfield wards 2.30pm - 4.30pm People with Voices poetry and ideas workshop 8.00pm - 12.30am Live music: Jiminy Rockit Band People who have only had soft ice cream have no idea what theyre missing. It was called Lawleys I believe. The Fox has a number of accolades. This was back in the early 60s. I have spoken to a friend of mine who was born in the mid 30s & has lived near Hedge Lane most of her life but she doesnt remember a bomb dropping at the top of Hedge Lane. Still beautiful. We went to Sothgate County Grammer School in Fox Lane. Intimate Memories: The History of the Intimate Theatre, Palmers Green AnnywayI bought my first camera from Mr Kalms (Dixons) Edgeware (Agfa Silette) on the knock (so much a week) and cycled to Edgeware to pay the monthlya Canon copy of the Leica followed f1.8 lens but paid its way at weddins and I think I was one of the first to get back with ome developed colour (Ferrania) to the celebrations in them days. Was Mrs Dark the wife of Mr. I lived in Tottenhall Road until 1955 when we moved to Winchmore Hill but I remember the home made guys outside the shops on Green Lanes. In myddleton road there was a fish and chip shop David Way of Winchmore Hill Broadway? I also remember Miss Bellfountain (Spelling) she was head of the Junior before Miss Gibbs. The owners were brother and sister Dominic & Anna both born in Italy who arrived in England after the second world war,they were very hard working & organised, so much so they only lived 200 yards opposite in Tottenhall Rd. Palmers Green is often nicknamed 'Palmers Greek' or 'Little Cyprus' because of the many Greek, Cypriot and Turkish immigrants who have made this bustling enclave of north London their home. He said the new housing development that is now Myrtle Road just off The Fairway (where I was born),was built on the site of a Nursery. And how kind he was to. The Roberts toyshop changed its name in the mid 70s to Zodiac if I remember correctly. Winchmore Hill - Wikipedia Do I get commission on the bet payout? I started at Hazelwood in 1963 too and l also live in Singapore. Sylvia. Intended for professional and scholarly audience. I then went to 'The Palmers Greenery' will serve locally-sourced, fresh, healthy and affordable drinks and snacks, and will be staffed by volunteers from the community. I remember the entrance to Appleyards next to the post office. Dad livin then in Islinton/ighbury played piano, accordian, dubblebase, all sizes of saxophones and clarinet as reserve needed in the West End otels in Lunnon includin the Savoy otel (10/6d an evenin)(after the War e was to reminisce when taken to lunch in Savoy Grill by conglommerats an councils gaspin to get old of Shells munny) as assistant investment manager (16th Floor) for Shell Oil (millions to spend) and for No.1 Balloon Barrage Dance Band (later the Squadronnaires an Skyrockitts) that is when e wasn,t tendin is personal barrage balloon in East am 1939. Opposite Grouts well almost. My Aunty Jean used to make his partners costumes and lives in Princess Avenue. As I hadnt had any response to my original comment I was beginning to think I had imagined him. Was this the Barbers that was in a room behind Glossops the sweet and tobacco shop. You will also find memories from contributors below, and across other pages on the website, where a post has maybe triggered a memory or two, http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/ww2peopleswar/stories/16/a2115316.shtml. We have new and used copies available, in 1 editions - starting at $50.53. Has any reader furniture in use purchased from Allen & Appleyards at 362 Green Lanes, replacing Kiltycakes Cafe next to the still existing post office? Dr Stewart was a wonderful Dr who never seem to rush you, yet never seemed to run late with his apt & made you feel really at ease. New River Crescent was bisected at the foot of Park Avenue. Firs Farm - Palmers Green Jewel in the North It is being discussed today and frequently, on my Facebook page Winchmore Hill And Palmers Green Memories. Sylvia Gambin. Did your dad run a newspaper stand by The Fox. Holborn). I was Yvonne Farmer and our form teacher was Mrs Phair. It is the oldest remaining pub in Palmers Green to have continuously stood on the . I practically lived in the Bezzaz Coffee Bar!!!! Joy's memories of Palmers Green My family, all three of us, moved to Palmers Green from Haringay in 1936 when I was five years old. I remember the flower man James! Mr. Music Baggarley, S.County did not think much of my voice, a judgement echoed by Regimental Sgt.Major, Rifle Brigade, on the Square, Winchester. 020 8881 7304. All had presentsmine was miniature guitarwere you at that party? History The corner premises were never re-built on and the empty space was then used as an open car forecourt called Kieths Cars. Singapore 45. Also went to Hazelwood Lane school then to Winchmore school previously. Miss Hughes was head of the infant school. Gerry. . My taste dress-wise (MENS) was Bricks across the road, specially them T-shirts. Lived in New River Crescent during 60s and 70s. I owned a Maicoletta scooter in those days which out- paced the Vespas and Lambrettas of those days. Im sure Fred Rain lived in the Larches. Mon May 03 As she asked for opera top petticoats and long legged knickers the woman behind the counter would operate the very cleaver drawers lining the walls holding the goods. Seiferts (e the owner of the Studebaker Car and Parker Pen (2/6d for cesstificats after the War) practice. When he retired (1956 ish), I was 11 and my family were transferred onto Dr Stewarts list. Richard Franklin. I dont remember it being a bomb site though, Hi Jennie, I remember juke box was playing a lot of Take these Chains From my Heart and set me Free. roses) at certain times of the year and was very beautiful. Worked at Burtons in palmers green for most of the. Probably some of my first photographs were taken there. It is used by the Broomfield Model Boat Club. Memories of Grouts - Palmers Green Community Forums - Palmers Green Can you imagine leaving two young children in a caf now, you would probably get a visit from Social Services. Little did we know when we saw Shirley Bassey at her first performance, that she would go on to become such a great star. I was at Hazelwood school in the 1960s. I remember the bloke who served there and was a grumpy old git so I suspect this could be the same place. Annyway my best buy camera wise was a Thornton Pickard plate (Camera Craft) in original tweed hold-all includin tripod. I lived next to the Bird In Hand Pub in the early 79s, but my grandparents used to own a toy and Oran shop on the corner of Tottenham road and wolves lane. Thanks again. Recall the police fishing bodies out of the water occasionally suicides. I remember being in your house when she visited them. We had to make our own fun in those days, there were no iPads, computers,,,,,,,,,,, etc. Can someone confirm the existence of a Tesco store in Palmers Green at this time? After the war he ran various bands Bert Harts band any combination. Regards, Brian Watling. I do remember the restaurant above the sweet shop too. Steak Chips and peas 2/6p and the included bread and butter, Was that called Pritchards or am I mixing it up with somewhere else? The old boy used to stand outside and entice you in with phrases like.this one would suit youetc. Maybe it was rebuilt very quickly or my memorys going! N21. The garage was called Saul and Slatters. There was and old git who served behind the sweet counter. Palmers Green N13, is lovely, a Edwardian area with plenty of independence shops, the parade of shops has beautiful building above them a lovely 1930s style park, a railway station journey to the countryside and Moorgate and properties are still very affordable. I remember the tremendous explosion and my father tying the washing up bowl over his head with a towel and running down Sidney Avenue to help. Incidentally Gran used to black her ever smouldering grate with liquid something which inevitably warmed the proceedings. Also Victor Value supermarket. Baptist Which barbers do you mean? I recall Evans and Davis, Jane and Adams and the owner had an e type jaguar. Hope this helps. I also remember being taken into a shelter during this time due to the `doodle Bugs, although I was only about 3-4 years of age. My main memory of the Queens Cinema was the film The King and I which I watched there with one of my friends Malcom Oldhill. as many did back then or another location. I owe so much to your father who be came friends with my father and would meet for a drink in the COCK TAVERN. Hi. Remember the Rag and Bone man had a horse and cart and my mum would send me out with a shovel and bucket to scoop up any droppings the horse might leave. I remember having lunch with you on quite a number of occasions when I came down after moving to Bedfordshire, then Milton Keynes. I think Myrtle Road was built in 1950, is that right? I remember once using the underground public toilet at the triangle and sure there was an assistant there in the days before we considered disabled people. Dave then joined him at Kelvin and we became great mates and we would go to Arsenal matches together. A few doors away was a grocers shop called Crows. Hospital. Ha ha yes and he had those bottle top glasses Dr Meldrum !!! I have lots of childhood memories about Palmers Green Railway Station. Daughter of Uncle Sid Rann (Imperial Father of the Chapel. The shop later became an extension to Gateway Film Productions (where I worked). I lived in Burford Gardens from 1954 until 1978,went to Hazelwood school where I had a huge crush on a girl called Hilary Taylor. Where to Eat in Palmers Green - Eater London Regards Think pool is still there. Happy times at Arnos school and some not so nice if you got the cane. We were entranced by the trendy clothes and selection of jazzy tights. Miss Wrigley used to rattle you back and forward in your desk if you didnt behave. VangelisVangelis: Delectus 2016 Universal Music International BV / Polydor (UK). Possibly during WW2 it was requisitioned for war work. Do you John manses I use to buy my records in the 70s and 80s, Lived in Palmers Green from 1966 to 1987. She must have been quite young then (unless it was a different Miss Hughes), but then young children think anyone over 20 is old. His house and grounds backed onto the new river on the opposite bank to ours which was in Lynbridge gardens. I cannot recall any other bombs round that area. We often played up the Wreck at the end of Lynbridge grdns where the parky Mr Moody and his co parky Mr Savage would chase us if we caused them any trouble! What a great guy he was. There were two blokes in the back workshop mending bikes and preparing new ones. Ill be checking your face book page. Did I swap it or sell at a profit. My parents bought our furniture there. At the time Kennings had a garage in Edmonton which I remember was a Jaguar dealer so I imagine our old car hire site was the Jaguar dealer you recall and would most likely have also been a Kennings branch. Who helped me get accepted for nursing training. Thank you Suzanne. The day the dance hall fell silent - Palmers Green Jewel in the North 2sainsbury s & 2 Macfisheries , 2 China shops Lawleys and Moors or was it Muirs. Key Study: Leading questions and the misinformation effect - " the car More please! Annyway I have told already of my Mum on this lovely chat previous, being part-time life saver and attendant at THE POOL, she could not swim a stroke. Hello Raymond, Your memories of Palmers Green are a real Gold Mine. Hi Sylvia, in the P.Green archives somewhere there is a report that on the night of March 15th 1941 the Princes Dance Hall (corner of Princes Ave) was packed with young couples. My father was in the home guard and attended when the bomb dropped at that site, it was a dance hall at the time. I believe she moved up to Scotland after living in Ibiza for a while. Hello Brian, Im so glad you remember Dr Baxter. You just came up in conversation and I Googled you. Even on cross country runsI wonder what dear old Mr Robertson, Physical Training Master at Southgate County would have commented. Spent a few happy days with him and also his parents at their house up by the new river. Across Hedge Lane, does anyone remember the wartime pill boxes which stood close to where the trolleybuses made their turn-round at journeys end. Also remember Mrs Dark who took 4A, an excellent teacher. I now live in Bedfordshire. Janes & Adams, Wendy. 8.1K members Join group About Discussion About this group This worldwide local history, nostalgia and memories group has been active since 2012, we have thousands of photos in our albums and many memories and photos being posted daily. I ad no spare cash for new comics in them daysdid you ever deliver the EagleIm payin 8.00 a copy for the good ones now.. My grandparents moved to Palmers Green in 1910. Hi David Before marrying my first wife I too lived in Muswell Hill then Palmerston Road before buying a flat in Woodberry Avenue. Janes & Adams was my favourite shop in Palmers Green. I was born at 7 Oakthorpe Rd, PG in 1944 and moved to East Anglia in 1971. Miss Gibbs. The one on the right going North was Cullens The coffee machine was dark red and black.Cullens also had another outlet nr the Cherry tree at the end of the Mall. I have found on the website for Enfield Sports that the swimming pool was closed in 1979 it was probably too old to justify renovation and the annual maintenance costs pity, we had most enjoyable swimming afternoons there. Keith Headley, did you live on N.C.R? Some of the musicians achieved International fame (not meI was on drums) . I was just 15 and left school to become the first employee your father Aubrey gave me my first job and I never looked back and went on to become a photographer in the RAF as national service was compulsory at 18 after I joined a Photo retail shop in Turnpike lane named A M DAVIS after I started my own career in Muswell Hill N10 Then went on to open 7 more shops before starting a Franchise called FOTOVALUE with over 1000 outlets throughout Europe allowing the owners to retain their own name with just banners to say the where part of Fotovalue. After several meetings of our Catchreeling Society, girls were allowed to participate. Sylvia Gambin. Went to St Monica School from 1970-71 before we were transferred to the new Our Lady of Lourdes School in Arnos Grove. I have fond memories of Palmers Green, as I worked at the station from aged 15 in 1963 till 1968. would go down there most nights and you need only buy one coffee & that had to last you all evening what great times in there !!!! Otherwise it was as you describe with the coffee grinding machine in the window and the aroma pervading Green Lanes. Er, Dave, surely The Bezazz opened nearer 1957 than 1967 frothy coffee and all that. I knew of Joe performing at the Municipal Hall, Tottenham but he is not in our family tree. The chemist at the top of Hazelwood Lane was called Cross & Herbert. Dark..my teecher at Winchmore ill and Southgate County Grammer, Fox Lane, do you remember? Hi Raymond, It was Sid Ran your uncle that I remember as a friend of my father, I believe I as at that party you mention but cannot recall the present I received but it may have been a small accordion. We always had nice Rose bushes ! Ill call you a Fcab etc. A lift man too to take you to the upper floor who would call out Corsetry and Carpets. After the last chip was scoffed the owner would place in front of us a huge strawberry milkshake made with the soft ice cream they were known for, this shake was always served in a heavy fancy thick glass with a straw to slurp up the last visible clinging bubbles. Can anyone help? Wonderful. I wish I had found this page earlier as he would have loved to chatted with you about Palmers Green as that is where he had his office and owned several properties in that area. In Green Lanes itself there were 2 jewellers too. Palmers Green past - Facebook Lovely doctor. He has also now retired and the surgery has now moved nearer to the roundabout at W.Hill next to the petrol station. I assume there was no ammunition in the house, though! Your change would come whizzing back in the rather splendid looking canisters. !955, Concriptd to the Rifle Brigade..married Patricia (Winchmore ill 1957) where was Doms in the igh street?. Helen. I went there with my sister and her friends I think the Small Faces were signing autographs ? After the Quick Service Cafe Bruno in 1967 moved 100mts to the corner of Princes Ave/Green Lanes & opened a coffee bar called The Bezazz Bar.Juke box, two pin ball machines, served tea/coffee/& light snacks.Spent most of my teenage years using this coffee bar as a meeting place to ponder over a two hour cup of coffee to decide what our next move would be!! Miss Bellefontaine was the head teacher at Hazelwood Infants school during the forties, I know as I attended that school. I must have been about 5 or 6. Thank you for any help you can give She and my Father were married at Palmers Green in 1935. The archive can be found at bbc.co.uk/ww2peopleswar'. Happy memories of Greenwood Gate Tennis Club in the Rec too, circa 1959 1963. Does any one remember the fever hospital in this rd? Ah yes. Next..The Triangle Cafe shut (ABC an Lyons) also shut at 5.. We bought our first TV off him, black and white of course. Hello Christine, I do remember the china and glass shop which I went in with my Mother to buy any special gifts for people. The mention of Grouts brouht back many memories. Here in Cornwall too warm and damp this week for me as a farmer. Take butchers, for instance, within 10-15 min walk of me (Chequers Way, where Metal Box Co was), there were 5/6 butchers that I remember walking to with my Mum. you could add doms cafe where you had a great breakfast there. Was it also another name? .Yes I remember the cafe well, 1964, it was on the corner of N.C Rd & Green Lanes. Hi John ! Image supplied by Enfield Local Studies and Archive. Recall Mrs Potts and Mrs Langford and Miss Buchanon (whom I disliked nasty old bat). Devonshire Road. Tall and imposing, for those coming to Palmers Green from the north, it acts as a gateway into Palmers Green's main shopping area. David they are wonderful memories arent they? Definitely around 1958 when Bezazz opened: frothy coffee in tiny glass cups. Bruno would leave the bar at 9.30pm each night, snooker cue in hand and walk to the Cock Tavern for several beers & a few games of snooker. Scores were listed and published on my Dads old Barlock Typewriter. Hi David, yes, I remember Keiths Cars being there for many years &, as Richard S says, it is now a tyre dealer and I remember Pitmans just opp. Was it a post office too? however, it did changes hands to a new type of shop a few years later. I think that this garage was called Saul & Slatters a John Slatter who worked there, married my cousin Margaret Cantwell in 1962. Ma used to send me there up Hedge Lane in the school olidays with a shillin for my lunch (includin tip)I remembers the custard. I had a mini and a few cortinas in the 70s all with big bore exhausts and used to make a deliberate noise going up Green lanes. The money offered was flushed along and up to the cashier in the small glass fronted cash office, high up. We would love to hear about your memories of the area, andhow ithas changed, over a cup of tea. I still as the familly piano bungin up my front room, opin the latist sprog will unravvell its potential. I also was in the cubs and then the scouts,153 North London which met at the Congregational church at the end of Burford Gardens where my sister also got married around 1967 I think. We lived in Hamilton Crescent and the kids played in the Rec but it was short for Recreation Ground.lol. I havent been back for many years but believe the Doms cafe is still there. We lived in Sidney Avenue from 1952 until 1961. My grandmother moved to Halifax in 1919 and remarried. Can you imagine what it would be like to be caught in an air raid? Just found this by chance and been reading some of the comments as I grew up near this area. Was this a WW2 bomb? Thanks. Around the mid 60s lovely to see we all grew up in such a cherished place. Well the years are rolling back! The Fox stands in a prominent position on the corner of Green Lanes and its namesake, Fox Lane. People were lying everywhere because a bus had been crushed, and there had been a dance going on in the hall above Pitmans College which had been bombed. When a change of scenery was called for, it was all off to the Amelia coffee bar in Oakwood. Yes, and the gas fire which hissed and stuttered. Yep, remember Doms very well too in the 50s. I can still remember how I felt when I saw it. Its best to just have fond memories of how it was Sylvia. Ta. You might remember the Saturday boy who wrote the window tickets and went on to be a successful photographer in the eighties. The headmistress, Miss Hughes must have been about 110, My class teacher was a woman aptly named Mrs Dark a horrible and spiteful woman. Nothing wrong in that!..seems the 50s 60s & 70s had a lot going for them, I look at kids today and think theyve missed the best bits! Then for a short while it was a Menswear shop that sold high end suits, shoes etc. Lovely to have you posting again Raymond Randolph! Im not sure where Jays originated in Croydon or elsewhere but in any case it appears to have ended up as a national chain, with branches in places such as Bristol, Luton, Northampton, Croydon and Sheffield, as well as areas of London including Palmers Green, Stoke Newington, and Walthamstow.. Beg to differ, Miss Hughes was headmistress of the Infants, and Miss Bellfontaine was headmistress of the juniors. Also Miss Stenson, Miss Wrigley or Wigley, Mr Philips, Mr Johnson and Mr Hart. Visiting Palmers Green Walkfo Preview Palmers Green is located 8 miles (13 km) north of Charing Cross. Thanks Dave. With the Winchmore Hill conservation area as a focal point, the district is bounded on the east by Green Lanes (the A105 road), Barrowell Green, Firs Lane and Fords Grove, and on the north-west by Grovelands Park; in the south it extends to part of Aldermans Hill, and in the north . I lived in Conway Road all of my early life from 1944 to 1968 when I emigrated to Canada. I think that surgery was based in the houses that Martin mentioned (10/8/14) for a short while and then to a tiny building, like a garage, at the top of Windsor Rd with a bigger branch in Winchmore Hill, nr Green Dragon Lane. To Gerry Hicks- yes I remember you, you had a wife called Rose and a daughter called Carol? Do you remember a bus that got his by a bomb during the war as no one seems to have any photos or accounts about this. Cam rember going to your uncles house one Xmas where everybody joined in to play Charades, I played out being a Milkman with horse and cart! Obviously at that time, there werent many shops selling fresh coffee let alone grinding it on the premises. St. Clements Press. Church under rev. It was a large detached house surrounded by a beautiful garden which took up the whole of that corner site. In 1961 the company was acquired by Car Mart Sales Ltd, but retained its name. Edwardian Housing Estates in Palmers Green and Grange Park Hi I lived in Princes Avenue with my grandparents in 1969 and reading the comments the memories came flooding back. Try putting dance hall into search, or I will find the link for you later! Sylvia. 2023 Palmers Green Jewel in the North, Palmers Green history, people and community, The twentieth century and urban life in literature, Palmers Green Baptist Church, Green Lanes, Palmers Green United Reformed Church, Fox Lane/Burford Gardens, St Georges Presbyterian Church, Fox Lane / St Georges Road (demolished), Palmers Green and Southgate Synagogue, Brownlow Road, Palmers Green Mosque and Education Centre, Oakthorpe Road, Local dignatories, bigwigs and characters, Improbably famous in Palmers Green #5: Jack Hargreaves, Intimate demolition plans: Just a minute says Nicholas Parsons. You done a bit of boxing? Just found this: The next occupant of the premises was Jays Furnishing Stores, a hire-purchase furniture store first listed in Wards 1911 directory. Hi John Its not my memory of PG thats off, its my ability to tell right from left Im waving my left hand around saying Im sure it was on this side!!! I bought my first motorised bike from them, a cycle master, which had an engine in the back wheel. Life is very different now and this great website has brought back lots of lovely memories for me. And the wonderful smell Remember the Windsor Caf. I also, an geography class at Southgate County Fox Lane Please Miss! 23 Green Lanes, Palmers Green, London N13 4TN, UK. There was a garage forecourt at the top of Hedge Lane where in intersects with Green Lanes, Was that a WW2 bomb site does anyone know? You even remember the prices! weve already ad enough laughs for the day over your conviction that The Sahara Desert is in the middle of Australia. Annyway.back to on the North side an them basketsI remembers a cafe at this location. Our dentist was Mr Finkel and I remember a story about a wall falling down by his house and squashing someone! I also remember going to the Intimate Theatre with my mother every Tuesday evening. She retired when I was there and replaced my Mrs Gibbs trendy and Beatles fan. I used to get home absolutely filthy but so happy. Peter. Oh and one of our members mum and aunt used to work there! Used to live in Palmers Green (1976-1983). The walls were lined with painted tongued and grooved wood. Great times, scooters, mods, good jukebox, used to go upstairs. In those days they called a spade a spade! I just recall the horse. Best teacher was the top class with Mr Smith. Making own fun! Ray in Cornywall. Ray. For Palmers Green to have a department store, two cinemas and no betting shops or nail bars? And another question on the same side as the H&C but further towards Winchmore Hill opposite a photographers, there was a Jaguar garage. Could you tell me where Beezaz was situated and were there any other coffee shops in the area. I worked at burtons at the triangle in the 60s until at closed inthe 70s some very happy memeries of those times. Hi Gerry, Im nearly retired and living in Australia, you may remember my father Aubrey Todd who ran Kelvin Photos. Yes Bob good memory, striking looking car, my MK 3 Cortina was yellow with black vinyl roof, which was unfortunately mostly removed by a group of baboons at Whipsnade safari park during a warm summer in the 70s, I believe the place has now closed. Have a nice trip! Community life - Palmers Green Jewel in the North A saxophonist my father often booked had the first name of Larry. No, RIchard is it was definitely Jays but I think it was further down towards Bowes Road.