5-iron - 23.5 degrees. [quote name='bigo2398' timestamp='1444240339' post='12423306'] YOU have to be in control trajectory in your iron play, tweaking your specs is just a bandaid. So, no matter the type of golf irons that you have, you can bend them to adjust their degrees of loft. All Rights Reserved. I had a lot of success bringing my spin rate and trajectory down to something more playable in the wind by tweaking the lofts a little strong. IMO there is no reason to start bending your Titleist strong dude. I had a lot of success bringing my spin rate and trajectory down to something more playable in the wind by tweaking the lofts a little strong. In our forums, our members have been discussing modern irons with stronger lofts and whether they are easier or harder to play than older irons. If youre struggling with the current loft degrees of the irons in your bag, then changing the angle of your clubs by bending them could help you improve your ball striking. There does seem to be an abrupt cut off on the minimum iron loft at slower swing speeds. You need a steep angle of attack to bend weaker as bounce is increased degree for degree. When this happens, its usually the result of some type of inconsistency in the metallurgy of the club. You should absolutely give it a try with a few clubs and see what you think, you can always go back and it might just work. Here are some of the facts, and fallacies, about club adjustment. Bubba might better be able to answer that question, I know you can with the mb or cbs. I'm also a very high spin player and I'm thinking this might help keep my iron distances consistent, especially when playing in the wind which I often do. Upload or insert images from URL. You can strengthen the loft, which will reduce the spin and travel further but won't really fix your problem which I think is too much spin for given trajectory and distance. Why do Pro's and some amatures have their irons bent 1* stronger. Of the other main manufacturers used . CallawayTCB w/ LAgolf L-series 5 [b]I'm guessing when most say they have been bent 2 degrees, they are talking about the loft[/b]. It is as basic as that. The most common reason for playing a stronger loft is to fill a gap in the bag, usually the long irons (lots of 4 irons bent strong) but throughout the set it would be uncommon to see more than 1* difference from standard either way. Vice versa if the club is upright. Maybe it's just me but it seems you can't change the relationship between the loft of the club and the spin, given you're putting the same swing on it. IMO there is no reason to start bending your Titleist strong dude. It would seem that bending lofts stronger would make them go further. [size=5][b] I've noticed that some of the higher launching/spinning players on tour (Rory, J-Day, etc) have their irons bent strong and I'm looking to hear some pro's and con's of doing this. clemsondds, August 1, 2009 in WRX Club Techs, Hey guys, just wondering if some of ya'll can explain why people bend their irons up to 2 degrees? Yes delofting affects bounce. 3W&5W: CallawayEpic Flash Bending the hosel toward or away from the face plane, opens or closes the clubs face angle. Started Yesterday at 10:25 AM. Since the upright lie tends to assist golfers in hitting the ball right to left, it's going to help the masses who tend to have to commonest swing fault - left to right. Please contact Patrick Gallagher at 800-437-1314 or email patrick@mitchellgolf.com. I tried to do a search for this topic, so if it has been disscussed I apologize. The biggest effect is on the bounce. Although the process is relatively straightforward, its all about fine margins, and you can get it wrong if you dont know what youre doing. [quote name='tx33' timestamp='1444281825' post='12426402'] Why not take one more club, and how much distance do you gain with 1*. I read your comments on why some bend lofts on iron sets strong and i try to swing smooth because to me swinging hard offers little to no benefit ,please remember im talking about me and not others in general , i have lost speed on my swing over the last 5 years where it was noticable to me , but i truly started losing speed after my rotator cuff and bicep tendon tear on my right arm , i cant say it was a noticable difference but that is when it started in 2010 is when i started bending all my irons strong because of lost distance because i was hitting irons 1/4 to 1/2 a club different and it progressed over the next few seasons to a full 1/2 a club or about 2 degree's and then came a hip replacement in 2014 and when i got back to playing regularly i was bending a 46 degree wedge to 43 degree / 9 iron 39 degree's and so on and i did that to try to get to the same distance i had in 2010 where i hit GW 110 / PW 120 /9 iron 130 and it progressed from there .. Currently I'm playing 712 MB's with x100 shafts at standard loft. YOU have to be in control of trajectory in your iron play, tweaking your specs is just a bandaid. If you don't like bend them back. Why not take one more club, and how much distance do you gain with 1*. I think most guys out there play less or equal loft to most retail sets out there these days. So I'm in the process of getting new irons and I'm curious about the idea of getting them bent a degree or two strong. The angle and loft of your golf clubs are extremely important. [quote name='HandsomeMatt' timestamp='1441040098' post='12239780'] What bouncedoes is keep the leading edge from digging into the ground. Maltby KE4 14* 3w , Axe Excaliber R flex tipped 1" It would definitely not work for me but might be ok for you. Callaway Apex Pro weak/strong - Toronto Golf Nuts The flex will be X-stiff or XX-stiff for the strong pros who hit the ball a mile. [/quote] Yeah, you can bend them strong and not notice the difference in terms of look. [/quote] Copyright 2023 Mitchell Golf Equipment Company. Your link has been automatically embedded. So I'm in the process of getting new irons and I'm curious about the idea of getting them bent a degree or two strong. I'm also a very high spin player and I'm thinking this might help keep my iron distances consistent, especially when playing in the wind which I often do. 5 iron 27 195 I've noticed that some of the higher launching/spinning players on tour (Rory, J-Day, etc) have their irons bent strong and I'm looking to hear some pro's and con's of doing this. It is all about fitting. It will just require substituting a hybrid for the 5 iron and up rather than for the 4 iron and up. He went with his new driver in the adjustable Upright position at 9* and he's loving it. March 27, 2015 at 11:41 AM
While golf club manufacturers certainly try to make a consistent product, there are often inconsistencies in the lofts and lies of the clubs and they may not be progressively consistent from one club to another. Why Pros Hit Their Irons so Far? | Golf Tips & Lessons WIth KLP on this one: bending stronger for spin reduction/trajectory is IMHO missing the point, fix impact first. By Comparing 7 Iron Lofts - 2018 - Spargo Golf GM Never Compromise GM2 putter The good news is that the vast majority of irons can be bent, even those that are high-quality cast. Does the aggressive swing impart that much more dynamic loft and create that much more spin? Haven't registered for Team Titleist yet? Players have been doing this for a long time. I was wondering if bending my irons 1 to 2 degrees strong at a golf shop will change the playability of the 712 AP2s. Have wondered why he always had a little fade with his Mizuno mp32 and mp67 irons but much less so with Callaway X16 irons. Now tilt the club grip end down a bit so that the club's toe comes up off the ground a fair bit and you'll see the pencil now points subtantially more leftward than before. YOU have to be in control of trajectory in your iron play, tweaking your specs is just a bandaid. I do feel like I need to improve my spin loft, but I know tweaking the clubs might help as well. You would still have to take the next club down to get to the distance you want. I am now thinking I am just going to bend my 712 Ap2 irons to the 714 AP2 specs so my gaps will match up better with my wedges. And while you can bend your golf clubs at home, its best to send them to a custom club fitter unless you have invested in a golf club bending machine. It has to do with posture and arm length and swing arc. Using an example of bending a full club strong, say 4*, what's the difference in hitting a 7 iron at *32 to hitting a 6 iron at *32. Maybe get a cheap 6 or two off eBay and try it? Add in the added forgiveness of modern irons, and you have a winning combination. When you start messing around with the hozzels and stress on clubs you need to know what you are doing. Setting aside the discussion about why lofts are getting stronger, I was wondering why someone would bend the lofts strong rather than use the next club in the bag and swing smooth. Basically almost all irons we offer on ExactGolf like all Miuras, Honmas TR20, Vegas and some Mizunos. 8-iron - 34.5 degrees. We've chosen this model as it is a popular iron that suits a wide range of players from low handicappers to game improvers. Can I bend my irons strong? - Golf Clubs - Team Titleist Loft and lie changes are more or less permanent. Pros and cons? To help you decide whether or not to bend your golf clubs, we take a deep dive into the practice in the following sections and explain what to expect in detail. [/quote] I was able to do a Mizuno demo show and the rep fit me for mp62's. I would be pleased with them. 7-Iron Comparison by Loft. You can also bend the angles to a consistent specification precisely fit for any golfer. After all, manufacturing golf clubs and ensuring the loft and angle on each club is no easy feat, so its not something that you should experiment with. Are their ways to ensure a club wont break? Any adjustment to loft will alter the bounce angle on the sole. To help keep their driver shafts stable and the golf ball in play off the tee, many of them "tip," or trim, their golf shafts to make . Wish he could drop the loft down to 7.5* Upright. After all, you dont want to ruin the make-up of your clubs by getting your angles wrong or by using a homemade contraption. My wingspan finger tip to finger tip is 78". Every set of clubs sold should have some sort of custom work on them if fitted properly. Ultimately, your answer is yes, you can do this. Started Yesterday at 10:25 AM, Please put and questions or comments here, Please put any questions or comments here. [/quote] Equipment counts courtesy of Darrell Survey. XXIO X Series 5 Wood! Show Your True Colors With Mitchell Golfs Custom Color Program. IMO there is no reason to start bending your Titleist strong dude. thanks, Any help would be much appreciated! [quote name='Dan Drake' timestamp='1441041993' post='12239944'] The iron will roll 'open' when bent strong. See What Members Are Saying! But that's not the only reason for that. So I play my irons 2 deg flat. Flex options determine the amount of bend in the shaft when force is applied to it as in a golf swing. Titleist 712U 4i, C-Taper 120x Diamana GT 70 TX TM Tour Tip. Cleveland RTX4 Raw, Low Bounce 55*, Tour Issue DG S400. To do this I will need to bend the 6 iron - PW 1 degree stronger. There is no worry about bending a club that was bent last year or last week. Just curious but, can I bend a set of titleist cb718 to the titleist ap2 718 specs? One way to make the necessary adjustments to your golf clubs is to bend them. [/quote] Now of course this does not apply to all golfers by any means. Or do people change launch angle to decrease bounce? So tweak to fit your gaps Using the straight line marked ball on face, hitting off REAL grass will produce best results for lie angle, https://forums.golfwrx.com/topic/1840618-witb-731-full-bag/. the dude who's got no shot at doing that always thinks it's the clubs. By It can be re-bent without any adverse effect on it. [quote name='cxx' timestamp='1441038802' post='12239622'] You can easily bend the lofts and lies to be progressively consistent from one club to the next with zero tolerance. Just because you have 130 yds to pin doesn't mean it's automatically a PW..depends on alot of factors I agree with what you're saying entirely, I know I have to get my spinloft down. Strong lofts are only part of the equation that today's golf club engineers use to help you hit their irons further. GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, April 24, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, April 17, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, April 10, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, March 27, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, March 20, By RBZ 25* hb; RBZstage 2 19* hb Clear editor. Leather Golf Grips Review: Should I Use Them? Bending Golf Clubs: Should I Do it and How? - Windtree Golf When buying shoes I noticed a lot of the shoes in the stores inventory were size 10. Ping G400 Testing G410. Callaway XR Pro 9* Matrix Red Tie 65x Most guys would love to have a little extra spin on those longer irons to hold greens, personally I would tweak the swing a bit but I wouldn't really change to much else as you have a huge advantage having that little extra spin there with a club like a 6 iron. I have read that if you bend 1 degree strong you lower the bounce on the iron. I agree with what you're saying entirely, I know I have to get my spinloft down. 6 iron 29 183 [quote name='ijohnson' timestamp='1441070745' post='12242666'] Using a club bending machine to change the angle on a golf club is among the fastest ways to improve a players ball flight. [/quote] no i've struggled with a fade all season. Weaker lofts mean (all other things being equal) getting the ball up into the air quicker, and a little higher trajectory on your shots. I'm also a very high spin player and I'm thinking this might help keep my iron distances consistent, especially when playing in the wind which I often do. While some golfers can afford such a price tag to improve their clubs, others will balk at it! Vice versa if the club is upright. Hitting off a lie board covers the in-store, sell you a set of clubs mantra. I would never ever think of doing this on my own. Loft angles are adjusted mostly for consistent distance gaps throughout the set. [quote name='HandsomeMatt' timestamp='1441040098' post='12239780'] Two of the most common swing flaws among amateurs, are swings that are either too "steep" or that are "over the top" (each creating an out-to-in swing path). 54*, 58* TM TP wedges 3* flat. By the way, thank you all for your input! So I was fitted for clubs and the pro said that on my new clubs I didn't need any adjustment. Epoxy Curing Times for Golf Clubs, Work Life and Shear Strength. Bending TM P790 irons up to 2 degrees weaker. Is it safe? Good idea? By Greyson P. I just purchase a great used 712 AP2 set. 6-iron spin: 6850 RPM Pleased in both regard, distance and ball flight is good. hit a few balls each PW, 9, 8, 7, WAY back in your stance, I mean move it so far back it feels ludicrous. So that could be the difference. . 6-iron spin: 6850 RPM They should be leading and flat. #2 reason is to space yardage gaps as needed. Standard length and lie are perfect for me. rjklein4470, June 3, 2009 in WRX Club Techs. Of course the 4* bend is just to illustrate the point but it's better than describing everything in fractions of clubs. Learn how to hit clubs different ydgsthe pros are very good at doing this Bending a golf club allows you to change the angle of your club, which is an effective way of changing your ball flight. It also improved my gapping, even though they were all bent the same 2* strong. Sign up to receive product offers and news! The most easy 'drill' is just hit it lower visually place a hoola hoop a few feet downline and hit the ball through it. [/quote] If you strengthen iron lofts, how much does bounce become an issue? Move it more downline untill you achieve the desired trajectory. I'm curious about this as well. [/quote] Currently I'm playing 712 MB's with x100 shafts at standard loft. [quote name='bigo2398' timestamp='1444240339' post='12423306'] Odyssey Pro #1 black AutoFlex Golf Shaft Review: 8 Crucial Facts Before You Buy! Clubs are mass-produced with certain manufacturing variances in every factory. GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, April 24, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, April 17, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, April 10, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, March 27, GolfWRX_Spotted posted a topic in Tour and Pre-Release Equipment, March 20, By Posted August 1, 2009. Stronger iron lofts don't always create more distance more upright = more of a draw, more flat= fade. Bumping the toe up 2 or 3 degrees, serves to mitigate each of the flaws through impact and helps to reduce the amount of left to right curvature that usually accompanies these moves. In other words, they might not be progressively consistent from one club to another, which means your distances might be out. Mine are bent 2 strong to offset my high ballflight. (Worth the Money?!). While you can theoretically bend fairway woods and hybrids, the design and loft of irons mean that you can bend them to ensure that theyre consistent from one club to the next. [/quote] I'm curious about this as well. Thanks everybody for the help! Therefore, if youre planning to bend your high-quality cast clubs, our advice remains the same check in with a local club fitter in your area and ask them to complete the work on your behalf. When watching PGA tour on TV, sometimes we are surprised by the distance that the pros hit with their iron. It wouldn't surprise me if that's exactly why Jason Day chooses to play 4-P all bent a club strong. [quote name='OldGolfer87' timestamp='1444324826' post='12428468'] Let me know what you think of the idea and/or if you have other suggestions to control my spin/launch, I'd love to hear them. You'll shallow out impact (lower AoA) and reduce dynamic loft > combined they will reduce spin loft. about 2-2.5 increase in bounce for 4-5 increase in loft. Callaway XR Pro 9* Matrix Red Tie 65x. It wouldn't surprise me if that's exactly why Jason Day chooses to play 4-P all bent a club strong. TXG Custom King Cobra Nova, 25 gram weights, Garsen Ultimate grip. [/quote] Standard length and lie are perfect for me. Older irons can be bent to achieve better gaping and additional distance, but the distance increases will be very small. 6-iron spin: 6850 RPM [/quote] I'm concerned, however, that if I purchase a set of Scratch irons with what I think is the right grind for me (S/S) and bend the lofts a couple of degrees strong (ie.