And part of that is the nuances of surgery, surgery itself. The only way to prevent it is use of irradiation. This is Bart Wise again, just with regard to the safety. The 'YY' indicator represents that this procedure is approved to be They are very heterogeneous in terms of active content. Well said. Question four, how confident are you in the evidence that amniotic product injection to treat the osteoarthritis demonstrates long-term efficacy? 43 0 obj <> endobj xref These studies themselves are hydrogenous just as the other speakers have brought up, variable populations within the same study and very small numbers, which makes it very difficult to adequately power any of these studies. Yes, and that is very important. 0000004501 00000 n And the foot and ankle on the lower extremity actually had higher level research than looking at the upper extremity. Jocelyn, why don't we leave those questions open for a moment and we'll let everybody complete the survey, but we'll have Dr. Lawrence move on with our final condition. $-gdE`Z\a\8 4p.iR,U}Lg":D7g2D I2OFds ` 1jK2qiYm4{400TI &. hb```b``fe`c`bb@ !( *' F A `ka 34, ^p(1E1;=Es[:$0y2Ma ;/\yn! Enter the CPT/HCPCS code in the MCD Search and select your state from the drop down. LICENSE FOR USE OF "CURRENT DENTAL TERMINOLOGY", ("CDT"). In no event shall CMS be liable for direct, indirect, special, incidental, or consequential damages arising out of the use of such information or material. And recently, a number of studies in humans have been published, investigating the products, some of which have reported benefit from their administration. Oh, I'm sorry. With that being said, we will get right into the formal CAC by beginning with our first speaker, Dr. Gajewski, who will discuss the FDA labeling and general safety, of these products. Okay, I do see the survey questions responded to. It's actually quite a good outcome for measuring knee pain and other knee outcomes in osteoarthritis. So, in summary of sort of a general overview of this, some preliminary data appears potentially promising. CAC meetings are recorded, and the audio recordings and the written transcripts are posted on each participating MACs website. hb```S@(q I J/Q>T0LS'A=N5*}`=$sFN n\l^6lv\(kg(^F-op1?'t&}~CG~ R.w\k$ , Hw4p0ft40t00 l )FPP- End User Point and Click Amendment: I'm just curious about some of these preparations are cryo-precipitated, et cetera. EFFECTIVE DATE: 0 POLICY LAST UPDATED: 10 The AMA does not directly or indirectly practice medicine or dispense medical services. I'm unclear, again, I do not have adequate information on what they mean by low temperatures. 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And I know Janet advised against anecdotal issues, but I was at UCLA in the early years of the Gann Act where we were required to ask patients if they wanted to have designated blood donors. hbbd```b``A$j"Ej8"L`B0 Moving right along to Condition 3 the discussion of Rotator Cuff Tendinopathy, Tendinitis, or Tear; Lateral Epicondylitis, Carpal Tunnel, Trigger Finger. This is Eileen Moynihan. An operative report is required and must be available upon request. So in no particular order, the articles I looked at were 9, 12, 14, 21 and 23 and we'll start with article 12, the use of dehydrated human amnion and it was a case series involving 40 patients. Please Note: For Durable Medical Equipment (DME) MACs only, CPT/HCPCS codes remain located in LCDs. Dr. James Gajewski Good afternoon, everybody. Or [inaudible] plus, it's the standard of care for an initial treatment and when that fails the surgical procedure, is very small, very minimal, very safe, that's done in the office now. 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This includes items such as CPT codes, CDT codes, ICD-10 and other UB-04 codes. The official publication for Level I HCPCS (CPT-4 codes) for hospital providers. H|Wd5W5Re'c X!XFk4K|?>_/]%zWCBJ7 .`u}}`JWJz=^o\z9e~BT AT9 vqdYkh%BprY-.%V)["[n . I96w4Ak1;*8LMZI;Oe1\s &$W2DQY#"E"2$*85lm"HIl]JW)"4#F3^6F8?1HtaG]xuA*D::!83P|MnKC*{:?qk,nlG,d=atI'0 I2nC Thank you Dr. Gajewski. WebCPT Code XX15275KX XXQ4235 HCPCS Code JC Modifiers KX Billing Units For further assistance with reimbursement questions, contact the Zimmer Biomet Reimbursement The CMS.gov Web site currently does not fully support browsers with I would also say, having served on RUC and CPT, as both a voting member and as an advisor, and, yes, I wrote all those codes relating to bone marrow and stem cell transplant as well as the Diagnostic Bone marrow codes, there was some code put up for fracture, repair of use of stem cells. Is anyone still completing, I will wait another moment, if not, we'll move on. As far as I understand, the theoretical basis for the use in these conditions is predicated on a variety of arguments in part depending on which preparation is being used. Same for me, this is Dr. Gulur. Looks like some who were having problems appear to be able to answer these questions, that's good to see. Our next panelist in alphabetical order is Dr. Padma Gulur, MD, are you on yet, Dr. Gulur? Dr. Will Harvey Where you are using membrane or external wounds. I did have paper 12 included in my list, the micronized dehydrated use of amniotic allograft, for treatment of tendinopathy, but that was all discussed in under Condition two, and so I won't include that in the summary here. Lastly, to ensure we are able to discuss each topic today, we have set an estimated timeframe for each topic discussion. This instruction is effective for dates of service on or after September 4, 2012. It was a randomized control study, so that's a strength. Article document IDs begin with the letter "A" (e.g., A12345). Number identifying a section of the Medicare carriers manual. In most instances Revenue Codes are purely advisory. Appreciate the opportunity to speak. All rights reserved. That being said, just as a general overview. He is a fellow of the American College of Physicians, and is a board certified rheumatologist, he is a Professor of Rheumatology at the University of California Davis School of Medicine, he's an interim Associate vice chair for Clinical Research and he was also one of the authors on the American the American College of Rheumatology, 2019 guidelines for osteoarthritis management. Some studies such as Gellhorn include distant sites in the same study such as spine and knee and glenohumeral and femoral subtabuary and subtalar. Hello, and thank you for the introduction and introduction and there are no conflicts of interest. So, a level four, in regards to evidence. 0000007409 00000 n And, I'm not sure that this collection of studies necessarily represents the true safety profile that you would see if it were in very large studies are, or in very large use in society in general so, I guess I would be a little bit less sanguine about the safety based just on these studies. And with that, I will open the floor to comments from other panelists or my colleagues, Dr. Sun and Dr. Moynihan. With that, we will move on to the polling. All rights reserved. And a lot of the other thing with these articles is there are really short studies. 0000012006 00000 n An amniotic graft is a graft from a human and therefore the skin substitute graft codes (15271-15278) should be used based on location. This is based on information that the graft was NOT taken from the patient. You must log in or register to reply here. Dr. Eileen Moynihan And if they changed the success rate to being converted to surgery or not, it jumped up to about almost 70%, the limitations of this, so that it was also a pilot with no real applicability beyond the pilot safety measures they were looking for and the injectate was never mentioned. Dr. Pavelescu, could you please say hello and discuss any conflicts of interests you may have? Amniotic Membrane and Amniotic Fluid - Blue Cross and An explicit reference crosswalking a deleted code Dr. John Tassone Yes. Dr. James Gajewski Dr. James Gajewski I will point out though, that one of the articles and I don't remember which one actually did have a funnel plot, that is a way to look for publication bias. Couple of other comments in terms of that. However, overall, there's a relative paucity of human studies published and there, I would say reasons for caution in interpreting and deriving policy from the currently published literature. Looks like, we're waiting for maybe a couple more questions, and then we can move on, just give it another moment. cm; first 25 sq. And I think that that's imperative. We'll give our panel members a few moments, to vote, and then we will conclude our meeting for the day. 0000001419 00000 n Amniotic Product Injections for Musculoskeletal Indications - JE CMS came back to us and demanded that, we do a coverage for evidence development that with five-year follow-up, and so we are still in the process of doing that. And in many cases, cannot be joined, or contribute together toward demonstration of efficacy or safety. These studies are mostly very small numbers. Hearing none, we will go back to you, Dr. Ritchie. ICD-10 Diagnosis Codes that may support medical necessity: E08.621 - E08.622 E09.621 - E09.622 E10.621 - E10.622 E11.621 - I have no conflicts of interest. Therefore, you have no reasonable expectation of privacy. I'll be assisting the Noridian Contractor Medical Directors with facilitating today's meeting, and that is on behalf of all of our partnering MACs. The, there was another study using cortisone. CMS WILL NOT BE LIABLE FOR ANY CLAIMS ATTRIBUTABLE TO ANY ERRORS, OMISSIONS, OR OTHER INACCURACIES IN THE INFORMATION OR MATERIAL CONTAINED ON THIS PAGE. Okay. With all of the caveats that were mentioned previously, you know, it's somewhat concerning the way in which this unlicensed product was used in the study. So, my perspective on these products having been part of several FDA liaison meetings, for the licensure and regulation of stem cell therapies, that there are a couple of things that FDA has asked for licensure and regulation of all products. The, they also saw some improvements in bone marrow lesions, which are particular factor, a particular artifact in an MRI that has been associated with pain in [inaudible] knee osteoarthritis and other studies. CMS DISCLAIMS RESPONSIBILITY FOR ANY LIABILITY ATTRIBUTABLE TO END USER USE OF THE CPT. So, I will defer any further discussion about that to my orthopedic colleagues who will speak next. Studies are mostly low-quality evidence level 4 or 5 only a few level one as described in a few of these articles, and the outcomes are evaluated over short time periods on the whole, mostly a few weeks or months, with only one that I saw that was evaluated after two years. This is Eileen Moynihan. 0000010407 00000 n We appreciate our panelists, and we also appreciate the attendees, recognizing that everyone is busy, and we appreciate everyone's answers. They did, they do. Copyright 2007-2023 HIPAASPACE. %%EOF The AMA is a third party beneficiary to this Agreement. 35 0 obj <> endobj xref 0000006100 00000 n Dr. Janet Lawrence There's really no intermediate or long-term assessment of these products. Reproduced with permission. 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We thank them for their effort in, not only just attending today and listening to the discussion, but for their hard work and effort in developing a potential LCD. Hi, this is Andrew Pavelescu, I was just going to agree with everything that's been said I think anecdotally. 0000008118 00000 n Another thing that I saw this in a couple of other, other studies was that they included after the injection stretching of the Achilles and the fascia, which is okay, but they didn't adequately assess that in the results. Dr. James Gajewski One thing to think about when you're looking is there's no, there's really no guidelines, and I think that's why we're trying to discuss this stuff. If they're not IRB approved, then the toxicity value of any of those articles is completely specious. It was funded by one of the, by one of the companies providing the amniotic membrane and cells that I've dealt with as well. Linda Meyer Thank you, Dr. Gajewski, hopefully she's gotten in. hb```b``Qg`e`y @16.5&Gsf cQ"b8)l82+q {5lJ,lhn7: YZGA 3*l910eX,_ ,*KodXD78^mc0[dzMBt Dr. R. Andrew Pavelescu The carrier assigned CMS type of service which And so I think that's also a factor. We were told we could not look at those separately. What would be the appropriate CPT or HCPCS code be for this procedure? With that going into the individual studies, the first study that was part of our literature review was Cryopreserved amniotic membrane, and umbilical cord particulate for managing pain caused by facet joint syndrome. It's unclear if the products are stating that they're active materials, growth factors or stem cells, per se. 0000044306 00000 n Depending on which region, cervical versus, you know, lumbar that were being injected. So, I think that's a very interesting point. This was Derek Buck. So, eight knees, two tibial tailored joints, two subtalar joints, three glenohumerals, and so on. MACs are Medicare contractors that develop LCDs and Articles along with processing of Medicare claims. Dr. Janet Lawrence Dr. Padma Gulur Injection of Amniofix - AHA Coding Clinic for HCPCS The responsibility for the content of this file/product is with CMS and no endorsement by the AMA is intended or implied. I think there's a disconnect, or at least, a confusion out there, as to how do you apply these FDA concepts to these products. %PDF-1.7 % The scope of this license is determined by the AMA, the copyright holder. And you kinda left me without any further questions on your topic. Dr. John Tassone Dr. Janet Lawrence And so that's something to think about that I've thought about when I was looking at these. And the final polling questions, again, we will be answering the four questions, this time, specific to back pain and cervical facet joints. AmnioRepair Allograft Coding Reference Guide Dr. Padma Gulur This is a Dr. Beatty I just wanted to mention the back presentation was excellent. 0000017393 00000 n However, again, because this was a non-controlled, non-blinded study, in a highly selected population who chose to pay for the therapy that they were getting, I find the risk of bias in this study unacceptably high to use it to adjudicate efficacy or safety of these products. You, your employees and agents are authorized to use CPT only as agreed upon with the AMA internally within your organization within the United States for the sole use by yourself, employees and agents. Okay. So, the credibility in that particular article is, comes to mind. The difficulty here is that this was an uncontrolled study of an injected therapy and the risk of bias in this study, which is the main factor I use when interpreting studies to determine whether the results are believable is extremely high because the study was not controlled, not blinded. $BV9MZT3$DyWP, h%P"hj6=LF3)mSX%.e0 dN\ V` Also, of note, for this particular paper was that the HNP group was on the younger side, 30 years plus minus and that their symptoms, the inclusion criteria required that they have pain for at least three months. And this was a systematic review, but it had a limited number of trials with a large number of treatments, and thus did not produce good statistical, powerful results. rW`n":Q5g%_7:j)j9."QFGH(2My"hqt}%%l}]KkWmNhlI,(PjqK9%.v#|3^ya%h'e'e2iB@iFOk|q)7 If.ug q&QP;jNy>9cW=aB=je>m3/dDQMA;2VJ0E5&Qj2[iG"^l+E. 1 G/r f VY;fuC{r@,>^Q k1[1Q3#V^DJ;;j!E"&~'/;{1M, ~ B ^(\%@%t m+?Rh@yK However, please note that once a group is collapsed, the browser Find function will not find codes in that group. So, it was, it was a case series, a case study. I was focusing on some different areas. Applicants suggested language: QXXXX Fluid Flow and Fluid GF, per milliliter. Application 19.074 Request to establish a new Level II HCPCS code to identify an autologous, homologous human skin Right now or excuse me, respond to today. So, I just don't think, there's significant literature to show that it's better, and also in regards to pain reduction, and improved function, I don't really feel that there's strong literature, at this point, I think, I think it shows promise, and I've used it anecdotally, I've used it in the clinic, but there's just not strong enough evidence to support it. Documentation That Must Be Submitted with ClaimFor electronic claims, submit an invoice via fax.For paper claims, please submit the actual invoice with the claim. They would wait till they progressed to acute leukemia where we really couldn't treat them. You know, they show good results, but there's no control and way too much heterogeneity and where they're injecting it [inaudible]. Such results, I think, with the review of the literature, literature and also for any of us who have done these studies are, are fantastic if they can occur but hard to reproduce. Epifix or Amniofil injectatble. Subject to the terms and conditions contained in this Agreement, you, your employees and agents are authorized to use CDT only as contained in the following authorized materials and solely for internal use by yourself, employees and agents within your organization within the United States and its territories. At this point in time, I personally would say, no, I would say some of the more traditional methods should be utilized first. The next paper was a pilot study of 20 individuals using a different outcome called Womack, W, O, M, A, C, which is also a very well standardized and commonly accepted outcome in knee osteoarthritis research. 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As I mentioned, the lack of ultrasound guidance and all, but one. I'm a big proponent of diagnostic ultrasound, especially in guiding injections and especially Amnion injections, which I've used clinically for, for a few years. Current Dental Terminology © 2022 American Dental Association. Dr. John Tassone There are different article types: Articles are often related to an LCD, and the relationship can be seen in the "Associated Documents" section of the Article or the LCD. CPT codes, descriptions and other data only are copyright 2022 American Medical Association. The difficulty is those type of coverage for evidence development. LICENSE FOR USE OF "PHYSICIANS' CURRENT PROCEDURAL TERMINOLOGY", (CPT) Sign up to get the latest information about your choice of CMS topics in your inbox. The CAC members role is advisory in nature, and comments, and opinions are on the evidence, not personal experience, and the contractor medical directors use this to assist the appropriateness of any proposed LCD. Dr. Padma Gulur Thank you, Dr. Gajewski, any further questions as we are at the end of our time for this panelist? Okay, I think you have the same that, Dr. Gulur has, I'll make note of that. Thank you very much, Dr. Whiteside. The preparations are not standardized in any way that you could see, whether that's preparation, storage, dose, timing and the amount of time that we've looked at these, as well as the number of patient studies, is insufficient to draw conclusions? This is Jim Gajewski. 0000017002 00000 n Dr. Gulur, you're still having the issues. And, as I mentioned in the previous article, they threw in standard of care treatment afterwards, offloading, night splints, orthotics and, again, was not, I don't think, adequately addressed, and how that factored in, in the results. An example is MacIntyre who lists multiple studies which are classed as foot and ankle, but actually represent even within a single study very different entities such as posterior tibial tendinitis, Achilles tendinitis, injuries to extensor muscles of the foot, plantar fasciosis and even nerve involvement.